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Phoenix TV: Kilgour-Mattas report re-examined
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Narrator: A hospital was discredited as a concentration camp for Falun Gong practitioners.

Zhang Xu (spokeman of Sujiatun hospital, which is formally called Liaoning Thrombus Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese & Western Medicine): It says that our hospital is the concentration camp, housing thousands of Falun Gong practitioners from whom the living body organs have been harvested.

Narrator: A couple of doctors were slanderously accused of removing living organs.

Yu Sanjiang (cerebral surgeon of Sujiatun hospital): I am but an ordinary physician. I'm wondering why they fabricated the stories on me.

Narrator: How did the ridiculous rumor come into being?

Zimo (anchor of phoenix TV): On June 6, 2006, two Canadians, David Kilgour and David Mattas published an independent survey in which the Chinese Communist Party was claimed to remove organs of live Falun Gong practitioners. Its revised version published on January 31, 2007 even shocked the whole world. What is the truth?

David Mattas: We're going to work out the second version. Rather than 18 items of disproof, 25 or 26, even 27 methods are to be used for proof and disproof.

Narrator: David Mattas, a Canadian human rights lawyer. David Kilgour, a former Canada Congressional prosecutor. Two-month investigations gave birth to the so-called report of China harvesting organs alive in July 2006. On publication of its revised version in Jan. 2007, they claimed to have enough evidences that the Chinese government  illegally detained large numbers of Falun Gong practitioners and removed their organs alive for transplantation, the hospital had made huge profits. The report was translated into 9 languages. Two Davids advertise the report loudly in 15 Asian, European and North American countries and on many international occasions, they smear at  China`s organ transplantation system and have made a very bad impact on China.

Mao Qun'an (spokesman of the Ministry of Health of the State): We are very angry. The impact of this report, especially on the public abroad, is very bad and it's beyond the field of organ transplantation technology. It's definitely a premeditated attack towards our country and our government.

Narrator: According to Davids' report, Miss Anne (anonym) said that her husband, a surgeon, had cut the cornea of almost 2,000 dopey Falun Gong practitioners within two years. And other organs of those cornea donators were removed by other physicians, and their bodies were finally burnt. The place they accused is Sujiatun hospital, in the city of Shenyang, Liaoning Province,China.

Narrator: Sujiatun district is located in the south suburb of Shenyang, Liaoning Province, about 20 minutes' drive from the city. There are four hospitals in Sujiatun district where hospitals are comparatively centralized. Certain oversea media have indicted that hospital for several times by mentioning it vaguely as Sujiatun hospital. Related Falun Gong websites show the picture of the accused hospital as Liaoning Thrumbus Treatment Center of Integrated Chinese & Western Medicine. It is surprised that the hospital condemned of removing living organ of Falun Gong practitioners is actually a special hospital curing cerebral thrombosis. Vice president of the hospital, Zhang Yuqin, happened to work in the clinic when we arrived.

Zimo: The overseas report continuously censures that the physicians of your hospital removing living organs from Falun Gong practitioners. How big is your surgical department?

Zhang Yuqin (Vice president of Liaoning Thrombus Treatment Center of Integrtated Chinese & Western Medicine): The surgical department is simply a small ward and we have a treatment room in addition. We can only supply simple treatment in the treatment room, such as handling simple wound and stopping bleeding.

Zimo: How many surgeons are there in all?

Zhang Yuqin: Just a little more than ten.

Zimo: You told us that your hospital never did the things mentioned in the report. But is your hospital capable of removing living organs? 

Zhang Yuqin: We do not have the ability to remove organs and we have no such equipments either.

Narrator: There are merely 300 beds for patients in this Sujiatun hospital and the maximum capability of the hospital is 600 patients.

Zhang Xu, the spokesman of  Sujiatun hospital, considers that the so-called Sujiatun concentration camp for Falun Gong practitioner  is a sheer nonsense.

Zhang Xu (spokesman of Sujiatun hospital): Every single sentence is fabricated. Our hospital was founded in 1988 and before that the place was a vegetable garden, so there are many residents living around it. We have been here since the hospital was founded. It situates right in the residential area with many traffic roads nearby, and takes in large amount of domestic and foreign patients everyday. If what the report says is true, then the two Canadians would have no chance to be the first to report the event, since the whole nation at least the staff of our hospital like us would know it first. Therefore, the so-called event is a sheer nonsense.

Narrator: This is the inpatient department of the Sujiatun hospital. Before two Davids' report, the website of Falun Gong Minghui.org pointed out that this hospital hided more than 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners and 2,000 of them were set on fire after being removed living organs. The website even published the cinerator, which was actually the boiler room of the hospital.

Zimo: How long have you been working here?

Worker (in the boiler room): I came to work in the boiler room since 1991, so 16 years in all.

Zimo: What's your daily work?

Worker: This is a two-ton boiler. We mainly manufacture pharmaceutical preparation of Chinese and western medicine, supply hot water for the laundry and steam for the kitchen and dining-room, and so on.

Zimo: Around the year 2003, did you sense anything abnormal in this boiler room?

Worker: Nothing abnormal.

Zimo: For exemple,was there any other thing being burnt?

Worker: Definitely no.

Narrator: This is merely an ordinary boiler room. There are glass windows both in front and back of the room and the residential area is about only ten meters away. So a resident could see the activity clearly through the glass windows of the boiler room just from his house. Besides, the boiler room has only two doors connecting the outside.

Zhang Xu: I don't know whether you have noticed or not the picture on Minghui.org which was actually shot from the nearby residential area. The residential building is right above the boiler room, so the residents could see anything in the room when they dry their clothes in the sun. Under such a circumstance, I don't know how to keep any secret.

Narrator: According to common sense, if Sujiatun hospital indeed hided more than 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners, then how to solve the problem of their daily lives?

Zimo: So we want to know during that period, did you receive any assignment to supply logistical support to such a large number of people?

Qi Qide (Section chief of adminstration of Sujiatun hospital) : I have been working here ever since the hospital was founded. The regular supply of this hospital is to provide water, electricity, heating, oxygen, laundry and meal, and nothing else.

Zimo: Suppose there are 6,000 people staying in your hospital, what kind of preparation work do you have to support the logistics? How much money and how many people are needed to serve them?

Qi Qide: Provided that there are 6,000 people, first of all we have to ensure the accommodation. But we do not have enough rooms for so many people to stay in our hospital. Besides, we need at least 5,000 to 6,000 people to serve them. We only have 600 staff in our hospital, then where can we get so many workers serving them?

Narrator: After the scandal of Sujiatun hospital hiding Falun Gong practitioner appearing in Epoch Times, the working personnel of American Consulate-General in Shenyang pretending to be a patient came to Sujiatun hospital to consult the organ removing operation, and failed to dig out any problem.

On March 21, 2006, the Consulate sent Mr. David Kombluth, the consul of Shenyang, to investigate Sujiatun hospital again. The five-people group examined carefully the sickroom, office building, medical equipment and even the utility room storing sundries, yet failed to find anything abnormal.

Zimo: How long did the American consul's investigation last?

Zhang Xu: He came here twice. The first time he came was when Falun Gong was hyping up the news, if I  am correct it`s probablly on 18 March. On 22 March, Mr. David Kombluth, the US consul, in the name of visitation, came to our hospital . I received him and showed him around, and it took about one hour. The second time he came was after our government had held the news conference. The American Consulate-General tried to seek help from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to investigate in our hospital. This investigation lasted five hours and it was a comprehensive interview. We introduced in detail the equipment in each part of our hospital and their functions, and we also explained particularly the medical treatment projects, including the operation and some original records.

Zimo: Did he find any abnormity in the process of investigation?

Zhang Xu: No.

Narrator: On April 12, 2006, the AP released news. The spokeswoman of the American Embassy in China announced that according to the current information they had collected, Sujiatun hospital was simply a hospital functionally.

Narrator: On March 31, 2006, a person whose name was signed in Epoch Times as a retired military surgeon of Shenyang military Rigion, said that Sujiatun hospital once detained more than 10,000 people in early 2005. He also said that in 2006 the daily detained people are 600 to 750 and many of them had been transferred to other concentration camps. He even described in detail that they were transferred by special trains and lorries, and it needed only one day to transfer 5,000 people. Sujiatun hospital is very close to a crossroad which leads to Shenyang-Haerbin expressway, so there are many vehicles coming and going. It is also next to Xuesong Road and Guihua Street and it's surrounded by bank, community school and stadium, there is no large empty space in the surroundings. Therefore, it is impossible to transfer so many people in such a busy area without being noticed. We are going to interview the nearby residents to see what happened.

Zimo: We just want to know did you see large number of strangers coming and going out of the hospital.

Residents: No.

Zimo: Never?

Residents: No, not at all. This hospital is very regular.

Zimo: Did you live around here in 2002 to 2003?

Residents: Yes. We have been here for 7 to 8 years.

Zimo: Did you see thousands of people coming and going out of the hospital?

Residents: Absolutely no.

A patient's relative: My parents-in-law had been in hospital since last year. We are scared by the scandal. I think it's impossible. It's a special hospital for treating cerebral thrombosis, then how can there exist organ business? Some even say there is a basement. It's ridiculous. Sheer nonsense.

Zimo: But the report indicated that all the patients had been transferred and the previous rooms disappeared just in one night ever since the news was revealed.

Zhang Xu: The report said that 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners, along with the incinerator and other equipment were displaced just in one night. It's unbeleivable. Where could such a large number of people go? What's more important is what I told you just now, this is a busy residential area and transferring so many people, it could not be achieved without being noticed. That's why I'm sure that it's nothing but a rumor. Any sane person who has common sense and is capable of thinking normally would know that it's lying as long as he comes to visit the hospital just for once. 

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