Yu Changxin was a backbone member of Falun Gong, who directly attended the organizing and planning of a lot of important activities of Falun Gong and kept a close relationship with Li Hongzhi. An interview with Yu Changxin on February 5, 2001 disclosed many real and concrete details and inside information. The personal narration of a senior Falun Gong member with such a special status and experiences - "nuncupative history" - was able to provide very important references for realizing and researching Falun Gong.
Q: Recently, newspapers and televisions reported the Tian'anmen Square self-immolation incident of some "Falun Gong" obsessed members. Have you watched the reports?
Yu: I have watched all the reports.
Q: What's your feeling after watching these reports?
Yu: I feel these people were very miserable and the scene was tragic. I am so sinful when witnessing they stepped into the path without end and I feel sorry to the casualties and their family members.
I was a backbone member of "Falun Dafa Research Association". I had compiled 16 books such as "Zhuan Falun" and so on; two practicing stories and some materials of "Falun Gong" instigated and ordered by Li Hongzhi since October 1992. Moreover, I had attended the production of four audio and video materials. All of these things were to apotheosize Li Hongzhi and the heretical ideas of "Falun Gong". Actually Li Hongzhi held 13 classes in Beijing and 9 classes in Changchun, which were the majority of the 53 classes held in the whole country and there were few classes in other areas. If the average number of the participants of each class was two to three thousand, then there were 200 thousand in the whole country. However, the number of "Falun Gong" practitioners was several million in the whole country. Li Hongzhi traveled to 15 to 16 provinces, but there were "Falun Gong" organizations almost in every province. Therefore, "Falun Gong" practitioners in other provinces practiced "Falun Gong" through reading the books of Li Hongzhi and two stories and materials compiled by me, or through audio and video materials. Even some of the practitioners who attended Tian'anmen Square self-immolation incident practiced "Falun Gong" through reading books and watching videotapes. Therefore, I played a very bad role in the spreading of "Falun Gong" books and I played a role that Li Hongzhi cannot play. I feel very sinful. And I was upset when they charged Li Hongzhi and I was full of regret!
Before practicing this Gong, the life of my wife and me was not bad. Although we got illness, our life was happy and the government usually helped us. However, I ended up in prison from a man with happy life after 4.25. I will not forget this in my whole life, although there was no use to regret and there was no way to make up. The loss caused to our Party and county, and to the lives and properties of people was too great to be remedied. The dead people were miserable and I believed some of them didn't attend the classes, so it was due to my sins. The government and the court sentenced me an imprisonment of 15 years (oral error, actually it's 17 years), actually it will be 21 years, 17 years of imprison and 5 years of depriving political rights. As to the sentence, I said that I had realized my sins and I accepted any kind of sentences. I will not appeal and I will recast myself carefully and try to make up my sins in my rest life.
After more than a year's reeducation, I had completely realized the real appearance of Li Hongzhi and the reactive essence of "Falun Gong". Therefore I decided to make a thorough break with Li Hongzhi, the political swindler and break from "Falun Gong", which brought disasters to our country and people. I would like to stand out bravely and disclose the real appearance and reactive essence of Li Hongzhi and "Falun Gong" with my personal experiences so as to allow people to realize the reactive essence of "Falun Gong" and Li Hongzhi.
Q: As a backbone member of "Falun Dafa Studying Association", you had contacted with Li Hongzhi for many times and understood him better, what kind of person Li Hongzhi is in your opinion?
Yu: I had contacted with him by myself more than 20 times and we talked with each other. In my opinion, he is a hypocrite, a political swindler and a man with political ambitions.
Q: You said Li Hongzhi was a hypocrite; can you describe it in detail?
Yu: I feel Li Hongzhi was a very disingenuous person. Apparently he seemed like a gentleman when you got to know him. But he will become another person with further understanding. According to the saying of my hometown, he was "a man with two faces". That is to say, he was a man in front of others and a devil in the back. Actually he never fulfilled his words. This characteristic was particularly apparent in the way he earned money. In his words and in the "Regulations for Tutorship Station", he said clearly that practitioners should not get involved with money and property. But he himself earns money as much as possible. What impressed me directly was the issue of publishing books. The original price of "Lections in America", the book published in Guangzhou was 5 yuan. After Li Hongzhi knew it, he said the price was too low and the prices for books published in the future should be higher. He said that publishing companies can earn money and he can earn a lot of money too. Therefore, when "Lections in America" was published the second time, he requested his follower, and asked the publishing company to set the price as 8 yuan. He also assumed the position of juridical deputy of "Hong Kong Falun Buddha Publishing Company". When he set up such a publishing company, it was difficult to publish some of his books in Mainland since some publishing companies won't publish books with blind faiths. Then he registered such a publishing company there and he assumed the juridical deputy. Later I raised my suggestion in front of some followers. I said the master should not assume the juridical deputy because the juridical deputy is the boss. And Ji Liewu can assume the position. Others didn't say anything because they had heard my suggestion for several times. However, Li Hongzhi did not utter a word, and no one said it again. Now when I recall it, I realize that he just want to obtain the controlling power and control the money. And I should buy my own books with my money. Once I was in someone's home and Liu Guirong carried the books published in Hong Kong back. She handed over three books to me. I found the books were well printed and kept them, and I did not read them. After a while Liu Guirong came back and she said, Mr. Yu, the price of your books is 51 yuan and you can give me 50. I was a little surprised, but I still gave her 50 yuan. The reason why I was a little surprised was that I thought the books were presented to me, because Ji Liewu took the draft from me before the books were published. My feeling was that, as to earning money, Li Hongzhi refused to have anything to do with friends. The characteristic of hypocrite of Li Hongzhi was obviously incarnated in the issue of earning money.
Q: You said Li Hongzhi is a swindler, could you give some examples?
Yu: I feel that Li Hongzhi is an absolute swindler. He has a series of pleading tactics and he can make use of some altisonant reasons to justify him and cover his deceiving techniques and behaviors. He said he could plant "Falun" in people's lower abdomen, which would keep turning all day long and cure people's diseases and help them practice Gong. When someone asked him whether the "Falun" could kill the baby in the abdomen of pregnant women, Li Hongzhi answered that the "Falun" would not kill the baby. If it killed the baby, then it would snip the gut of normal people. He said the "Falun" was in your body of the other space. After he fabricated such heresy, people might believe in it since they could not see or touch the "Falun". The other example was about the power of "Falun". He also cheated people and asked them to experience it. He said he could not performance and people could only experience it. When he made the speech with Gong, he threw out a "Falun" (a hand gesture)and asked followers to experience it with their hands. I tried to receive it three times, but I didn't feel "Falun" turning in my hands. When I asked my wife, she didn't feel it turning either. When I asked acquaintances, they felt the same. Therefore, Li Hongzhi had no power as to the power of "Falun". However, he was able to fabricate a set of heretical theories and people felt no way to raise a question. I felt his deceiving technique was so excellent that it was not egregious of calling him a swindler.
At the beginning I believed in him. Later, I got a book named "Interpreting Mysteries in the World" and videotape named "The Source of Human Being", which was produced by American Academy of Sciences. Most of the pre-history culture in Li Hongzhi's speech was cribbed from them. He just took research results of others as his own. He said there was a nuclear reactor in Gabon. In 1972, Gabon sold the uranium ore to France. As to the uranium ore, there were two stories, one said the content of uranium was very low, and the other said it came from the nuclear reactor constructed 2 billion years ago and had run for 500 thousand years. When Li Hongzhi told me the story, I felt this man might have real theurgy and he might come from pre-history. According to Darwin, the present human being has lasted no more than 10 thousand years, and in China the history is called 5 thousand or 7 thousand years. How Li Hongzhi got to know the nuclear reactor constructed 2 billion years ago and had run for 500 thousand years. At that time I felt he might have such kind of theurgy. But after I read this book, I found what he talked about was nipped from the book. And the history he talked about came from the videotape. He just nipped them and boasted to be his own.